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Project Support => Announcements => Topic started by: emanuele on February 05, 2016, 02:37:39 pm

Title: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: emanuele on February 05, 2016, 02:37:39 pm
Today we are proud to announce the availability of ElkArte through the Softaculous auto-installer - making it easier than ever to install a modern community building message board platform.
The good news brings a lot of visibility to ElkArte, along with a live demo (http://www.softaculous.com/softaculous/demos/ElkArte), that will give people a way to test ElkArte before installing it.

We are confident this is a great addition that will help expand the install base of ElkArte, one of the most modern open source forum solution available.

Softaculous is a leading script 'Auto Installer'. Softaculous is widely used in the web hosting industry and it has helped millions of users install applications by the click of a button. Softaculous Auto Installer easily integrates into leading Control Panels like cPanel, Plesk, DirectAdmin, InterWorx, H-Sphere.

And if you have a minute, feel free to review ElkArte helping others make The RightTM choice!
http://www.softaculous.com/apps/forums/ElkArte
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Adrek on February 05, 2016, 03:50:10 pm
Congratulations :)
Although I really don't like auto-installers I'm sure it will help ElkArte to find new users :)
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Allan on February 05, 2016, 05:29:00 pm
This is great news and great for ElkArte.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Burke Knight on February 05, 2016, 07:54:50 pm
Being a web host, I was one hoping to see this day.
I also had seen this a couple days ago, but left it to be announced by
@emanuele or @TE.

Congrats and I left reviews the other day, but not seeing them yet, so guess waiting on approvals.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: IndianTalkZone on February 06, 2016, 04:12:05 am
Congrats, it is a great addition. Many will start using it now.

I wrote a review :)
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: meetdilip on February 06, 2016, 05:50:43 am
Awesome Team !! Congrats.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: meetdilip on February 08, 2016, 10:04:59 am
Just gave a 5 Star rating.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Flavio93Zena on February 08, 2016, 12:55:43 pm
Gave 5 stars as well, although their captcha is one of the most annoying I've ever seen, the letters just happen to overlap with the strips so you can't tell which one belongs to the stripe and... Meh :/
Also wrote a review but I see none being published...?
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Burke Knight on February 08, 2016, 10:50:56 pm
Reviews need to be approved...
Maybe by Softaculous, maybe by whoever submitted ElkArte to them.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Flavio93Zena on February 09, 2016, 04:31:34 pm
I know, but it's been a long while now.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Keiro on March 04, 2016, 03:27:10 pm
I had also seen the presence of ElkArte in Softaculous. Was excited to see it there but suspected it hadn't been announced yet.

Sure enough, looky here, this thread! :P

As another web-host, I'm glad to see ElkArte getting better visibility through Softaculous!
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Flavio93Zena on March 04, 2016, 06:00:33 pm
@emanuele you may want to have a word with them now, it's been a month and no reviews. Not quite acceptable, if you ask me.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: emanuele on March 04, 2016, 06:46:58 pm
Well, it's been a month and we didn't put the link on the home page... :P

Considering the latest published review I could find with a quick sampling of the software is dated October 2015, I wouldn't be surprised if the feature was either disabled or not taken care of at all.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Lou on March 04, 2016, 07:58:54 pm
Quote from: emanuele – Well, it's been a month and we didn't put the link on the home page... :P

Considering the latest published review I could find with a quick sampling of the software is dated October 2015, I wouldn't be surprised if the feature was either disabled or not taken care of at all.
Are you talking about the Reviews feature on the Softaculous page? On my host, the Reviews is available and reviews can be made.  There are 15 five star ratings with no verbiage. That usually does not look good to potential users, at least those that have experience reasoning out 'reviews'.

I found one review from October of 2015 and this Linux install article...

Elkarte Linux Install (https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-elkarte-community-forum-on-ubuntu-14-04/)
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Spuds on March 04, 2016, 08:39:07 pm
The issues folks are describing is that reviews have been submitted but have not shown up, only the rating has been recorded  :( .   It may or may not look bad, but not much anyone can do if the reviews are not being posted.

Had not seen the linux install instructions, very cool !  Don't know who took the time to write those up but thanks!
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Lou on March 04, 2016, 08:54:44 pm
My reading comprehension must be slipping today...maybe most days. IDK.

I just made a review; darn shame it can only be 500 characters. Wonder if it will get approved or not; what with approval seeming to be the hold up. Apparently no one has been tasked to read the Elkarte reviews.

Regarding the Linux install; maybe someone here can verify the instructions work and then post them here for potential new users of Elkarte?
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Flavio93Zena on March 04, 2016, 08:59:35 pm
That's why I suggested to have a word with Softaculous guys...
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Lou on March 04, 2016, 09:08:02 pm
This might just be a cPanel issue. If you go to Softaculous you can pull up Elkarte and leave a review. What is interesting is that their interface sees the 16 star ratings. I left a review and after entering the magic letters and doing a submit I was presented with a a success banner. That is a banner you do not get when submitting via cPanel.

Softaculous - Elkarte (http://www.softaculous.com/review/ElkArte)

Of course, now I have to wait for review approval I suppose.

Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Flavio93Zena on March 04, 2016, 09:14:12 pm
Not sure how I can explain to you xD It's the APPROVAL being the problem (doesn't happen), all the rest is fine.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Spuds on March 04, 2016, 09:30:24 pm
@Lou thanks for taking the time to submit a review ... Hoping it gets posted, could be cpanel vs website submittable, be interesting to see.

I'll take a look at the install instructions and see if I see anything .. I do use ubuntu but not Apache so can only cover so much.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Lou on March 04, 2016, 09:33:22 pm
Oh .... I do understand that the issue is approval. However, what I showed there is a difference between the cPanel Softaculous process and the parent Softaculous process. Something is missing in cPanel.

Now, it may be a cPanel issue or it may be a Softaculous issue. No one knows. As no one indicated they had made a road trip to Softaculous to test on their site, I took the opportunity to do so. Now emanuele has a bit more information to go to Softaculous with.

Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Lou on March 04, 2016, 09:35:25 pm
Quote from: Spuds – @Lou thanks for taking the time to submit a review ... Hoping it gets posted, could be cpanel vs website submittable, be interesting to see.

I'll take a look at the install instructions and see if I see anything .. I do use ubuntu but not Apache so can only cover so much.
You are welcome Spuds. Reviews are important and I too am puzzled why they are not making it into the mix. I would pursue this with Softaculous for you guys but that is far, far out of my authority range.  :)  I will be watching the Softaculous site to see if they publish the review.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Lou on March 04, 2016, 09:52:30 pm
I will guess the pipe is broken, in my case, between cPanel and Sotfaculous site. I say that as the review I entered via cPanel, that review is still sitting in the review editor, title and all. The submit button really does not send the data anywhere so I will guess that cPanel/Soft holds onto the info at my server level as it does not know what to do with it.

No idea how this would behave on other hosts that use different tools.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Burke Knight on March 04, 2016, 10:04:35 pm
For some reason, I do not think Softaculous is doing the approving of the reviews.
That is separate from their rating system, in a sense.
Ratings do not need to be approved, but reviews do.

I'm not entirely certain on how they do it, or if whoever submitted ElkArte to them does it.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Flavio93Zena on March 05, 2016, 03:37:55 am
It's surely not something that can be moderated by Elkarte devs, it would be stupid.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Lou on March 05, 2016, 07:46:31 am
Quote from: Flavio93Zena (#OpIsis) – It's surely not something that can be moderated by ElkArte devs, it would be stupid.
Sometimes though, in some instances that is the case.  A 'star' rating is not personally directed at someone as much as it is a silent opinion.  A written review can be directed to someone personally or contain violent, false information. Often the written reviews, on some systems are parsed by software looking for key words that indicate a foul mouth, angry review. That is then passed on to a human moderator who then reads and deletes the review. Softaculous could even have the review come to Elkarte to approve or disapprove the review. Truthful, observational reviews are what is best for Elkarte. A review that is spewing vitriol should be deleted.




Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Flavio93Zena on March 05, 2016, 02:39:32 pm
Not talking about that, it would be stupid to have Elkarte devs moderating the reviews because of commercial reasons, of course... (aka, deleting negatives).
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Burke Knight on March 05, 2016, 05:30:40 pm
Quote from: Flavio93Zena (#OpIsis) – Not talking about that, it would be stupid to have ElkArte devs moderating the reviews because of commercial reasons, of course... (aka, deleting negatives).

Actually, it would make more sense, for the devs of each program to moderate their own reviews.
Why should Softaculous deal with moderation on all programs?
Look at Google Play, and other app places, the devs are the ones to moderate the reviews, so why not Softaculous?

Also, IMHO, the devs of each script should be the ONLY people to be able to submit the scripts, in the first place.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Flavio93Zena on March 05, 2016, 08:01:17 pm
Which is why Google Play is complete and utter bs. I found myself politely but negatively rating a few applications, and my reviews got deleted, SEVERAL TIMES. I even contacted google about it, and the operator just told me to contact the guys who own the application, as the page is theirs, what a ****ing trolly and fake system.

Yes, you got a nerve there, one of the many many things that don't work at all on the net, but also one that got me quite angry, too.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Burke Knight on March 05, 2016, 08:43:07 pm
Actually, I do not see a DELETE on app reviews, so you are quite mistaken in that they got deleted by the app developer.

It's up to the app developer only, to reply, it seems.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Flavio93Zena on March 05, 2016, 08:54:51 pm
I have proofs otherwise, as per the argument on skype, the discussion to me ends here, goodnight.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Burke Knight on March 05, 2016, 09:09:09 pm
http://www.androidcentral.com/no-developers-cant-delete-your-app-review

There's added proof that developers can not delete app reviews.
All we can do, is reply to them.

You, Ninja, only have the word from what you claim is a Google Employee.
I however, would not put too much stock in that, as I too, have dealt with Google Employees, that do not even know half of what Google does.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Flavio93Zena on March 05, 2016, 11:51:58 pm
Ndr: discussion carried on on Skype and well, I still disagree. Had not less than 10 reviews deleted so far, that were perfectly following google rules. I agree to disagree on this one.
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Flavio93Zena on March 06, 2016, 02:14:11 am
LOL
Title: Re: ElkArte is now available through Softaculous!
Post by: Frenzie on April 04, 2016, 02:29:59 am
Quote from: phantom – Congratulations :)
Although I really don't like auto-installers I'm sure it will help ElkArte to find new users :)
Softaculous (or was it its competitor, the name of which I forgot) was actually really, really helpful to me a few years ago when deciding which forum to choose. I only had to install a couple of forum scripts by hand to check them out.