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Re: IRC

Reply #120 –

(05:59:03 PM) Spuds: I updated the site to the latest Git today
(05:59:18 PM) Spuds: I have no idea whats going on with the DNS issues
(05:59:46 PM) TehCraw: Thanks for updating the site. :)
(06:00:22 PM) Spuds: be sure and do a hard refresh when you go there
(06:00:57 PM) TehCraw: Umkay
(06:01:08 PM) TehCraw: Anything major changed between versions?
(06:01:36 PM) emanuele: they merged a couple of my branches, so most likely something is broken. :P
(06:04:25 PM) TehCraw: Cool. Experimental forums are the most fun.
(06:05:33 PM) Spuds: The last update to the site was a couple of weeks ago ... so lots of changes as usual ...
(06:06:18 PM) ***TehCraw goes to see some of the recent github updates.

(06:06:04 PM) emanuele: darn, the header upshrink doesn't have a "tab stop"...
(06:07:49 PM) Spuds: whats a tab stop?
(06:08:12 PM) Spuds: you mean a tabindex
(06:08:21 PM) Spuds: learn to use a mouse !
(06:08:41 PM) emanuele: batteries are dead...it's not my fault... :'8
(06:08:43 PM) emanuele: :'(
(06:08:53 PM) emanuele: well...sort of... O:-)

(06:09:19 PM) Spuds: You kids and your toys .... get a real mouse, one with a cord :P
(06:09:35 PM) ***TehCraw sends emanuele some fresh batteries.
(06:09:58 PM) TehCraw: Meh, nobody uses corded mice anymore. :/
(06:10:18 PM) Spuds: And a big ball under it, that collects junk on the rolllers ... now thats a mouse !
(06:10:25 PM) emanuele: I should have one...somewhere...
(06:10:38 PM) emanuele: and only 2 buttons of course!
(06:10:58 PM) TehCraw: Gotta love those ones with the rubber balls under 'em.
(06:11:02 PM) Spuds: Yes yes two buttons ... no wheel, you can't drive a mouse
(06:11:09 PM) emanuele: LOL
(06:11:48 PM) emanuele: I couldn't use a mouse without a wheel...
(06:12:05 PM) TehCraw: This conversation needs to get put into the IRC log as a reminder to everyone to always have a corded mouse in the house. ;)

(06:12:20 PM) emanuele: and it was rather difficult to even use apple mouses with the "inverted" "wheel"
(06:12:51 PM) Spuds: I could not use my trackpad without inertial scrolling either
(06:13:14 PM) emanuele: I should just not ignore the battery-level indicator...
(06:15:12 PM) Spuds: But yes the lesson here is always keep a real mouse in the house ... one with a tail
(06:16:13 PM) emanuele: but then I'd have to feed them... :P
(06:16:26 PM) Spuds: in putty white ... with a ps2 to usb adapter ...
(06:16:37 PM) Spuds: Just like Norvs avatar :D

(06:50:23 PM) Norv: header upshrink? I guess it's better to add it?
(06:50:54 PM) ***Norv thinks it's a fortunate occurrence for testing reasons, that emanuele's mouse got starved.
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Re: IRC

Reply #121 –

(07:20:52 PM) emanuele: mmm...you know, I'm starting wonder if this could be of interest: https://github.com/emanuele45/Limit-Topic-Length
(07:54:51 PM) Norv: Not sure

(11:35:17 PM) emanuele: meh...plasma just crashed...
(11:35:35 PM) emanuele: conspiracy!!!
(11:36:01 PM) TehCraw: Plasma.... As in KDE?
(11:36:25 PM) emanuele: yep
(11:37:42 PM) TehCraw: KDE is evil. :P Gnome 2 FTW.
(11:37:58 PM) emanuele: gnome is ugly...
(11:38:16 PM) TehCraw: Noes, KDE is ugly. ;)

(11:39:02 PM) emanuele: kde is just very unstable... lol
(11:39:26 PM) emanuele: (or at least it was the version I'm using, don't know about more recent ones)
(11:39:32 PM) TehCraw: Heh. I know it. Kept crashing for me when I tried it.

(11:44:47 PM) emanuele: okay, I think it's time to drop my love for old browsers and actually do an upgrade...
(11:47:54 PM) TehCraw: chromium
(11:53:04 PM) emanuele: seamonkey
(11:53:30 PM) TehCraw: That's a Mozilla based browser, isn't it?
(11:54:08 PM) emanuele: yep
(11:54:26 PM) emanuele: well, sort of :P
(11:57:18 PM) TehCraw: I hear Opera is switching to WebKit. Might be worth watching.

(12:16:25 AM) Norv: lxde ftw. No goodies, no problems. :P
(12:18:13 AM) emanuele: it seems similar to gnome
(12:19:25 AM) Norv: much simpler, cleaner, and fast
(12:23:41 AM) TehCraw: It is super fast. Takes almost no RAM to run, which I like.
(12:23:57 AM) TehCraw: Although I like XFCE a little better, cause they do panels really well.
(12:24:28 AM) TehCraw: Gnome 3 is just a pain.

(12:26:31 AM) emanuele: No problem with ram, I have plenty! :P
(12:27:45 AM) TehCraw: Lucky. LOL
(12:28:09 AM) emanuele: Nope, I just bought it. lol
(12:28:36 AM) TehCraw: Heh. I upgraded mine to 1.5 gb.
(12:28:39 AM) emanuele: 16 GB with...2.8 used at the moment
(12:28:45 AM) TehCraw: Holy smoke!
(12:29:01 AM) Norv: Haha nice! And no mouse.
(12:29:16 AM) emanuele: but I have the keyboard!
(12:29:21 AM) Norv: ROFL
(12:29:28 AM) emanuele: until it finishes the batteries that too...

(12:29:42 AM) TehCraw: good time to know a lot of keyboard shortcuts. :P
(12:29:43 AM) Norv: :D
(12:30:47 AM) emanuele: I know some, not all...for example I still have to discover which one is to open the kde menu
(12:30:50 AM) emanuele: lol

(12:30:56 AM) ***Norv is thinking that ema could attach some of his scripts to elk.net, and/or close moderation reports, and/or everything :D
(12:31:25 AM) emanuele: ???
(12:31:36 AM) emanuele: do you want me to break everything?...
(12:31:38 AM) ***Norv shamelessly thinks it's a good opportunity to see how keyboard navigation works.

(12:32:17 AM) TehCraw: If you can get the Terminal open, you should be pretty much good to go.
(12:32:40 AM) Norv: right :)

(12:32:53 AM) TehCraw: what OS do you run, Norv?
(12:32:59 AM) Norv: Debian
(12:33:14 AM) TehCraw: Awesomeness!
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Re: IRC

Reply #122 –

(11:16:30 PM) TehCraw: The DNS issue strikes again.
(11:16:44 PM) ***TehCraw goes to change his lookup servers again.
(11:30:03 PM) Spuds: yeah I know .... I think its the name servers on the hosting site ... bugging them now

(03/23/2013 12:01:39 AM) Spuds: the site should be back now
(12:02:31 AM) TehCraw: Seems to be up for me.
(12:02:50 AM) emanuele: up here too

(12:33:25 AM) emanuele: oh...found inconsistency in browsing with keyboard: in boardindex the dropdown menus are pushed faaaaaaaaaaaaaar on the left, while in moderation they stay in place
(12:34:02 AM) Norv: they are?
(12:34:23 AM) emanuele: it probably depends on the browser
(12:34:41 AM) TehCraw: Happens for me too.
(12:34:47 AM) emanuele: FF yes
(12:34:56 AM) TehCraw: Chromium too
(12:35:06 AM) TehCraw: Interesting...
(12:35:10 AM) emanuele: opera too
(12:35:34 AM) emanuele: while when you are in the moderation panel everything is fine
(12:36:28 AM) TehCraw: Happens in the profile area as well.
(12:36:58 AM) emanuele: curious, locally it happens in the moderation center too
(12:37:56 AM) Norv: PR to fix this stuff is welcome :)
(12:38:17 AM) ***emanuele has no clues on how to fix these kind of things...

(12:39:19 AM) emanuele: BTW browse phpmyadmin with the keyboard is a pain...
(12:40:56 AM) TehCraw: This is why
(12:40:57 AM) TehCraw: .dropmenu ul a:focus,.dropmenu ul ul a:focus{margin-left:9990px;
(12:41:10 AM) TehCraw: Seriously, what the heck?
(12:42:05 AM) emanuele: because if you use display:none screen-readers don't show them at all (as far as I remember/understood) or something like that
(12:42:24 AM) emanuele: so the accessibility trick is to move them far on the right
(12:43:03 AM) emanuele: ask Ant for details
(12:44:21 AM) TehCraw: is it important for screen readers to use dropdowns?
(12:47:10 AM) emanuele: you should ask Ant, he is the expert in the field...
(12:50:12 AM) TehCraw: Okay.
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Re: IRC

Reply #123 –

(02:06:13 AM) TehCraw: Spam alert
(02:45:50 AM) Norv: Buggy ban!
(02:47:17 AM) TehCraw: Could just delete the link and pretend it never happened.
(02:47:23 AM) TehCraw: Welcome, spammer!
(02:47:38 AM) Norv: :D
(02:48:10 AM) Norv: Ema went to bed at the proper time. :)

(02:52:16 AM) Norv: also, Arantor reports it's not clear where is "report to moderator". Okay, I have no clue where it is!
(02:54:52 AM) TehCraw: It's under the username dropdown, oddly.
(02:57:13 AM) Norv: Found it. It's strange, because, do you report the user, or the post? Since it's in the post display, I think you report the post
(02:58:07 AM) TehCraw: that's what I thought too.
(02:58:22 AM) TehCraw: IMO, the report button should be where it is in 2.0
(03:10:15 AM) Norv: Not sure where exactly, but most likely you want it visible on the post somewhere
(03:10:43 AM) TehCraw: Yeah.
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Re: IRC

Reply #124 –

Radical notion: you could always prune the IRC logs to eliminate content like discussion of mouses/when I were a lad mouses were different. If they were pruned, people might read them.
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Re: IRC

Reply #125 –

Bitching style will not get more attention to your ideas, Antechinus. Not here. That said, I agree the latest chat added more banter than usual, and I agree it's better to keep the level lower. No problem, since I'm doing it manually still, in exactly this intention: pruning occasionally.

I don't think banter is neither of interest, or of no interest. It's just what it is, and I usually log some of it.

Speaking of logs, I think I'll keep a practice I've started recently: each post separates per topic of discussion, whenever possible. That is, if it is possible, a post concerns the part of the chat focused on one thing, this should make following them easier.
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Re: IRC

Reply #126 –

Sounds like your IRC is more fun that our off topic board :/

Re: IRC

Reply #127 –

(05:56:36 PM) emanuele: Memo: we need some of these https://github.com/emanuele45/playpen/commit/69ad5fd5042179649e2dcedae51a76cb541f9753
(05:58:56 PM) emanuele: and I think that one too: https://github.com/SimpleMachines/SMF2.1/commit/1ca74d5fe567840809da593794f93fec388327eb


Quote(05:56:36 PM) emanuele: Memo: we need some of these https://github.com/emanuele45/playpen/commit/69ad5fd5042179649e2dcedae51a76cb541f9753
I took these (and a few more cleaning stuffs like them).
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Re: IRC

Reply #128 –

Quote from: TestMonkey – I took these (and a few more cleaning stuffs like them).
Please note, I didn't mean anything else than simply to let you know. Specifically, I didn't mean the little bug in news stuff shouldn't be looked at (I didn't check if we have it).
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Re: IRC

Reply #129 –

(10:26:50 PM) emanuele: Can we at least rename that darn $smcFunc to something easier to type? :P
(10:27:07 PM) emanuele: my last variation is smcDunk
(10:27:49 PM) emanuele: that may be the result of me being drunk of me having the typing abilities of a duck, don't know.
(10:28:06 PM) TimeVortex: Or at least something that doesn't have 'smc' in it? ;)
(10:29:49 PM) ***emanuele nods
(10:30:18 PM) ***TimeVortex proposes to make a few static classes
(10:30:53 PM) TimeVortex: Something like Utils for things like $smcFunc['substr'] and whatnot => Utils::substr
(10:31:21 PM) TimeVortex: ... if that's still relevant in an UTF-8 only environment.
(10:32:09 PM) TimeVortex: I'm still a big proponent of making a proper DBA, but I suppose static functions won't hurt in the transition.
(10:36:14 PM) Norv: Oh. Sure. /has just gone back to theme edition which is totally broken.
(10:47:58 PM) ***Norv sighs. Yep, I have somewhere precisely a Util:former_smcFunc_nondb() ... question is where.
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Re: IRC

Reply #130 –

(10:36:37 PM) ***emanuele would drop it completely... O:-)
(10:37:03 PM) emanuele: themes editing I mean
(10:41:36 PM) Norv: emanuele: I'm not really against it, but can we make it into a proper addon? It's all a matter of a couple of admin files and actions, and the backend for them
(10:44:52 PM) Norv: Related: I might still get, as I mess with this, to use LANGUAGEDIR. Which is to say I might also get to move it... which will 'remove' language files from theme edition, but it can be better in languages area, and not in themes area

(10:49:26 PM) Norv: Seriously, I wasn't (at all) going to remove theme edition, of course. But, I was going to ask: who the heck used it, when it doesn't work and I'm not aware of reports? Is it just me, or I may be missing something but.
(10:53:31 PM) emanuele: it doesn't work in 2.0 or in Elk?
(10:53:50 PM) emanuele: if in Elk is rather normal I think we didn't get any report. :P
(10:57:43 PM) Norv: As far as I remember about a month ago I checked the smf code for the bugs I dropped upon, and it was all there. (that's why I rant above.)
(10:57:55 PM) emanuele: lol
(10:58:18 PM) emanuele: due to my setup I cannot test this kind of things :P
Last Edit: March 25, 2013, 07:25:16 pm by TestMonkey
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Re: IRC

Reply #131 –

(10:39:42 PM) TimeVortex: Meanwhile, in Arch Linux: https://www.archlinux.org/news/mariadb-replaces-mysql-in-repositories/
(10:40:10 PM) Norv: Oh!
(10:41:10 PM) TimeVortex: That'll be interesting.
(10:45:25 PM) Norv: TimeVortex: last I know, Mariadb was fully compatible with mysql
(10:46:12 PM) TimeVortex: Norv: it is indeed.


(10:55:05 PM) ***emanuele wonders if it would be nice to have a "MERGED" notice too similar to the "MOVED"
(10:56:02 PM) emanuele: and similar to the "SPLIT" (that it sill says "MOVED, but tat's another problem).
(11:00:32 PM) Norv: On merged: Probably, it is a bit annoying when you first go to a merged topic and it tells you something incorrect, heh.
(11:02:10 PM) emanuele: I was more thinking about when you go to a topic that "used" to exists but has been merged
(11:02:31 PM) Norv: yes, that's what I meant, it mumbles something about inaccessible
(11:03:05 PM) emanuele: cool, then another feature! (or is it a bug fix? :P )
(11:03:51 PM) Norv: [feature cat mode] Featurres arh a good thing, not a bad thing.
(11:04:39 PM) Norv: Hey, feature cat still has the right to exist for a bit. O:-)
(11:05:02 PM) emanuele: without feature cat we would be lost!
(11:05:26 PM) emanuele: we need badly, even after the beta, or you want to stop working on anything? :P
(11:06:10 PM) Norv: Nah, I was kinda joking. I think we can afford to continue accepting small features and functionality improvements for long.
(11:08:02 PM) Norv: We can, as long as we keep the bar high on the kind of code we accept, and continue with refactoring. These have the habit to bring to light many bugs, small or not, and make them quite quick to fix.

(11:09:09 PM) Norv: (disclaimer: ban edit iz a throughout refactoring, not a small feature O:-))
(11:10:50 PM) emanuele: ohhh...it's just one file...
(11:11:09 PM) Norv: lol
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Re: IRC

Reply #132 –

(12:07:07 AM) emanuele: Any idea why in ScheduledTasks the variable $is_weekly is globalized instead of passed as argument from scheduled_weekly_digest to scheduled_daily_digest?
(12:10:33 AM) Norv: emanuele: none of them have parameters, as they are called by a call_user_func()
(12:13:58 AM) emanuele: https://gist.github.com/emanuele45/73b40cc1785fb5d5d2ef
(12:14:02 AM) emanuele: wouldn't be the same?
(12:14:30 AM) emanuele: (1st pair is what we have now)
(12:16:23 AM) Norv: ema, sure.

(12:20:48 AM) Norv: https://github.com/elkarte/Elkarte/pull/205 didn't we finish actually with this?
(12:21:34 AM) emanuele: good question...
(12:21:38 AM) emanuele: I think so
(12:22:00 AM) emanuele: Ohhh...no
(12:22:06 AM) emanuele: that's the other one!
(12:22:16 AM) emanuele: getTopic*s*Info
(12:22:32 AM) Norv: headscratch :)

(12:23:46 AM) emanuele: https://github.com/emanuele45/Dialogo/commit/a63aaf341aa00b9259652edccddad968146f1f8b
(12:24:22 AM) emanuele: in fact id does an almost completely different thing lol
(12:24:55 AM) emanuele: it grabs more or less the same "basic" stuff, but then the additional options are more focused on first and last message
(12:48:58 AM) Norv: I don't know if it's only me, something is slightly strange. But there are not many ways to get topics data without, heh, getting all kinds of topics data.
(12:49:33 AM) emanuele: TBH I'm not completely sure myself about that one
(12:50:11 AM) emanuele: I added it just because I thought I needed it somewhere else, but I don't, so I'm simply ignoring it... :P
(12:54:07 AM) emanuele: if you don't see it useful or well designed feel free to close it. ;)
(12:55:28 AM) Norv: It's possible that I'm just tired and not see clearly through all these params and that. Checking the code in particular it seems ok, but the whole... not sure. I'll just let it for a while longer, in the idea that maybe next time when we mess with those queries we can review with a different better perspective.
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Re: IRC

Reply #133 –

Quote from: TestMonkey – (10:36:37 PM) ***emanuele would drop it completely... O:-)
(10:37:03 PM) emanuele: themes editing I mean
(10:41:36 PM) Norv: emanuele: I'm not really against it, but can we make it into a proper addon? It's all a matter of a couple of admin files and actions, and the backend for them
(10:44:52 PM) Norv: Related: I might still get, as I mess with this, to use LANGUAGEDIR. Which is to say I might also get to move it... which will 'remove' language files from theme edition, but it can be better in languages area, and not in themes area

(10:49:26 PM) Norv: Seriously, I wasn't (at all) going to remove theme edition, of course. But, I was going to ask: who the heck used it, when it doesn't work and I'm not aware of reports? Is it just me, or I may be missing something but.
(10:53:31 PM) emanuele: it doesn't work in 2.0 or in Elk?
(10:53:50 PM) emanuele: if in Elk is rather normal I think we didn't get any report. :P
(10:57:43 PM) Norv: As far as I remember about a month ago I checked the smf code for the bugs I dropped upon, and it was all there. (that's why I rant above.)
(10:57:55 PM) emanuele: lol
(10:58:18 PM) emanuele: due to my setup I cannot test this kind of things :P
I wouldn't miss it. I think the languages file editing is probably fairly useful to a lot of people. I can see the point of maybe keeping css editing for themes in admin, but if php files (apart from languages) were not able to be edited in admin I think it would save a lot of n00bz getting themselves into trouble.
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Re: IRC

Reply #134 –

Quote from: Antechinus – I wouldn't miss it. I think the languages file editing is probably fairly useful to a lot of people. I can see the point of maybe keeping css editing for themes in admin, but if php files (apart from languages) were not able to be edited in admin I think it would save a lot of n00bz getting themselves into trouble.
Noted. The thing is, the template edition feature provides a basic sandbox for PHP code. At least one shouldn't be able to save files with syntax errors in them. This bit is useful methinks (and that's mostly unrelated to "core or not core", it's simply a small useful bit, even if one has (or not) to first drop a package in their installation).
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