Possible alternative editor(s)

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Possible alternative editor(s)

February 20, 2016, 03:37:41 am

More or less a memo topic to remember any possible alternative editor that could be used to replace SCEditor in the case there would be the need to.

https://github.com/yabwe/medium-editor

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #1 – February 20, 2016, 10:09:01 am

Good topic to have around given recent, or lack of, support / updates to the current one. Hope Sam at least surfaces to finish 1.5 but he has been essentially absent for a year.

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #2 – February 20, 2016, 10:45:41 am

Yep, I saw this one this morning at taz on a topic related to the paid one (I don't remember the name) and thought it would be nice to keep track.
The main problem is find one that will be kind of supported and developed "for a while".
This is another one that looks pretty nice http://www.wysibb.com/ but the last commit is July last year.

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #3 – February 20, 2016, 04:11:19 pm

Quote from: emanuele – February 20, 2016, 10:45:41 amYep, I saw this one this morning at taz on a topic related to the paid one (I don't remember the name) and thought it would be nice to keep track.

Redactor? I believe it used on XenForo.

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #4 – February 20, 2016, 04:13:22 pm

I already suggested it. I guess @emanuele prefers not to pack a non open source item with an open source software.

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #5 – February 20, 2016, 04:13:25 pm

Quote from: emanuele – February 20, 2016, 10:45:41 amYep, I saw this one this morning at taz on a topic related to the paid one (I don't remember the name)

It's Redactor
http://www.elkarte.net/community/index.php?topic=2837.msg19602#msg19602

Quote from: emanuele – February 20, 2016, 10:45:41 amThis is another one that looks pretty nice http://www.wysibb.com/ but the last commit is July last year.

I use this on SMF for quick reply, it's nice but has some problems with SMF (different bbcode for quotes). There is also an SMF mod
http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=3453

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #6 – February 20, 2016, 05:16:41 pm

Redactor II (current) would cost us ~$1500 to get a license that would allow us to use (and distribute) it in an OS project.

We could use the old Redactor I level (which was OS) but no one (to my knowledge) has adopted it and is maintaining it, so once again we would be in the position to maintain it and fix problems caused by every new windows and iphone release.

Xenforo can "afford" this luxury since you have to pay for it

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #7 – February 20, 2016, 06:00:33 pm

Yep, Redactor.
As I posted at TAZ, I don't see the point of using closed code in an open source project (of course addons are welcome! Even though I don't really like XF editor (the undo is not something the editor should take care, but let the OS handle it for example), but "unfortunately" I'm old school

Quote from: radu81 – February 20, 2016, 04:13:25 pm
Quote from: emanuele – February 20, 2016, 10:45:41 amThis is another one that looks pretty nice http://www.wysibb.com/ but the last commit is July last year.
I use this on SMF for quick reply, it's nice but has some problems with SMF (different bbcode for quotes).

If it is just quote it's nothing, right Spuds?

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #8 – February 20, 2016, 10:04:21 pm

Quote from: emanuele – February 20, 2016, 10:45:41 amYep, I saw this one this morning at taz on a topic related to the paid one (I don't remember the name) and thought it would be nice to keep track.
The main problem is find one that will be kind of supported and developed "for a while".
This is another one that looks pretty nice http://www.wysibb.com/ but the last commit is July last year.

This looks a good alternative.

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #9 – February 21, 2016, 02:46:08 pm

What's wrong with the actual editor Sceditor? It works fine for me

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #10 – February 21, 2016, 03:27:50 pm

Well, better have a plan-b, you never know what could happen.

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #11 – February 21, 2016, 07:23:05 pm

Quote from: radu81 – February 21, 2016, 02:46:08 pmWhat's wrong with the actual editor Sceditor? It works fine for me

Yup it works very well, and I even understand (somewhat) how to write proper plugins for it now

(I even have split quote working in wizzy mode in 1.1) ....

The main issue is one of support. Sam, the main developer, has not been around much in the last year. Even with this absence, the code is more up to date then most of the "other" ones out there ... but like Eman said, good to have a plan just in case.

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #12 – February 21, 2016, 08:11:15 pm

Too bad there's not a good base layer or API for interacting with text in a text box. After that hopefully everyone would use that. Then a general consensus or dare I say "standard" for that for user-generated content software to make use of. It might be worth it reaching out to several editor makers and several users (Wordpress, SMF, phpBB, etc) to work on that.

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #13 – February 22, 2016, 04:54:57 pm

I don't really understand what kind of editor can be used (I'm not a programmer) but I find ProseMirror today: https://github.com/ProseMirror/prosemirror from today discussion on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11153757

Re: Possible alternative editor(s)

Reply #14 – February 22, 2016, 05:29:08 pm

Quote from: Joshua Dickerson – February 21, 2016, 08:11:15 pmToo bad there's not a good base layer or API for interacting with text in a text box.

I feel like this is what contenteditable is for... or maybe not, not sure at all... $:-\$

Anyway, in forums case, the problem is not really the "editor", if it was just for the editor there are some quite good. The main issue is that unless we want to go back to the old "let php handle it with all the tricks for different browsers and different versions of the same browser", the editor has to take care of the HTML-to-BBC conversion, so that "server-side" we just htmlspecialchar anything and we are happy. Unfortunately, the number of editors that deal with BBC (and do it "our" way or in a way that can be easily swapped) is rather limited (I feel less than 5, I know of 3 plus the two bigs TinyMCE and CKEditor with their plugin, though they are GPL/LGP/MPL, so never sure about what's "good").

Quote from: kucing – February 22, 2016, 04:54:57 pmI don't really understand what kind of editor can be used (I'm not a programmer) but I find ProseMirror today: https://github.com/ProseMirror/prosemirror from today discussion on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11153757

Looks nice, it lacks the "bbcode" part as far as I can tell, though.

Anyway, just to be clear, this topic is not meant as "let's rush changing the editor", it's more like "in the case we'd have to change the editor, here are few alternatives ready for consideration".