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Elk Development => Feature Discussion => Topic started by: kucing on September 30, 2017, 08:07:01 pm

Title: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: kucing on September 30, 2017, 08:07:01 pm
I propose for ElkArte 2.0[1] that we should replace the smilies with emoji fully.

why? because the smilies feels outdated and the expressions are limited.

while emoji it covers much more expressions, maybe too many. but the design is pretty modern too.

at least there are 2 open sourced emojis we can use:
twemoji https://github.com/twitter/twemoji
emoji one: https://github.com/emojione/emojione

thanks.

sorry for my bad english.
http://www.elkarte.net/community/index.php?topic=4650.0
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: radu81 on October 01, 2017, 06:01:18 am
Have you seen this?
http://addons.elkarte.net/feature/emoji.html
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: kucing on October 02, 2017, 09:14:06 am
Quote from: radu81 – Have you seen this?
http://addons.elkarte.net/feature/emoji.html

yes, i have used it in the past but it's broken.

i think it's better as core replacing smilies.
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: Jorin on October 04, 2017, 12:56:10 am
Please not. Think about the translations. I can't translate a few thousand emoji codes, and we can't force everyone to know the then needed english names for emotions and such. We must keep with a graphical overview of offered smileys. Smileys which can be clicked to copy them into the text field. For those who don't need to know the necessary codes of these emoticons.
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: emanuele on October 04, 2017, 03:53:49 pm
Please do note I'm neither in favour, nor against the idea.
@Jorin I don't think anyone knows all the emoji codes even though they are present in several applications nowadays that do use the codes. I can think of slack, discordapp off the top of my head, just because are two I use almost daily, and both, along with the possibility to type the codes, have the user interface to select the emoji needed, almost the same as whatsapp.
I repeat, it's not that I like or dislike the feature, just saying there are technical solutions to the problem of knowing the emoji code (also provided I guess nobody is even typing the normal emoticons code nowadays).
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: Jorin on October 05, 2017, 01:19:10 am
There can be a way to show them as a list or something? I didn't know that, sorry. I thought I have to begin to write the name of the emoji and then a list appears...
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: scripple on October 05, 2017, 02:11:28 am
What will you do with old posts that already have smileys?  Also aren't emoji kind of annoying in that every device shows a different image?
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: kucing on October 05, 2017, 07:15:54 am
Quote from: Jorin – There can be a way to show them as a list or something? I didn't know that, sorry. I thought I have to begin to write the name of the emoji and then a list appears...

if on mobile the emojis are in the keyboard. and with information from google analytics, the visitors of my forum and sites are using mobile devices upto 70% from total, at least 50% never under. and the trend is increasing.

what i thought is we better use the emoticon that widely used and some can say standards in most communication platform to replace current smilies. more complete (or too extensive) of expressions and the design more pleasing/modern.

(https://blog.discourse.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/discourse-emoji-picker.png)

https://blog.discourse.org/2015/12/emoji-and-discourse/

and this idea came from the other topic  for elkarte 2.0. i just thought we should use emojis while we're at it. and emoji is a unicode standard: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/

but it's up to elkarte dev to implements it, i'm just a user.

Quote from: scripple – What will you do with old posts that already have smileys?  Also aren't emoji kind of annoying in that every device shows a different image?
it's just different styles of emoji, but they can be expected available on all mobile devices.

i think there will be migration script to replace the image used to emojis, thankfully the current smilies are pretty small.
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: Spuds on October 05, 2017, 08:36:54 am
Quote from: kucing – yes, i have used it in the past but it's broken.
It would be helpful to note what is "broken" in that addon's thread.  Not that I have much time to work on it but still ...
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: Arantor on November 21, 2017, 02:27:00 pm
One of the issues with using emoji is that you get different displays depending on device and browser.

Also, does that presume you're going to have two systems: one for emoji (whether that converts back and forth from real emoji codes to images) and one that's just for straight images that the admin sets up?
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: kucing on November 21, 2017, 09:27:33 pm
hmm... to be honest i don't know. but with the vast amount of expressions in the emoji set, i seldom not finding any to represent/emphasis what i write.

-

OOT, hi @Arantor ! it's been years to see you since wedge.
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: Arantor on November 22, 2017, 03:26:06 pm
I find I often need ones that aren't in the stock set, but I think that depends a lot on your community.

Also, hi, has been a long time!
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: Allan on November 22, 2017, 07:43:53 pm
I love using smiley's so I would be all for maybe a bulk uploader for different sets but emoji's could create more problems than what they are worth. 
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: ahrasis on November 22, 2017, 08:48:21 pm
Hi there Arantor. Good to see you in here again.
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: emanuele on July 21, 2018, 11:53:43 am
Duplicate of this request: https://www.elkarte.net/community/index.php?topic=5346.0
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: Feline on July 21, 2018, 04:52:53 pm
I think the "normal" Smiley's are good on a forum ..
The only one what must work .. if anyone postet smileys from his mobile device like this: 🤗 😉
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: emanuele on September 28, 2020, 07:47:20 am
I think that is about time...

I have two doubts though:
1. should we use the parsed (i.e. bbcode-like) emoji or go for the UTF8?
2. how to present the picker? Especially on mobile. I mean, the editor is already pretty crowded, maybe a toggle button that alternates the formatting bar with the emoji one?
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: radu81 on September 28, 2020, 10:09:39 am
1. UTF8 could be a solution
2. I know you don't like to copy other forums, but this could be a solution
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: Spuds on September 28, 2020, 10:30:48 am
Why was poop recently used LOL
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: emanuele on September 28, 2020, 11:05:46 am
I think poop is one of those I use the most! xD
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: emanuele on September 28, 2020, 11:13:20 am
Quote from: radu81 – 2. I know you don't like to copy other forums, but this could be a solution
It's not that I don't like to copy, I don't like coping just for the sake of it, if there is a reason for using the same solution, good. Otherwise... well, there may be something better. :P

What does it look on mobile devices?
Title: Re: Feature Request for 2.0: Replacing smilies with emoji
Post by: radu81 on September 28, 2020, 11:57:36 am
mobile

 
 
Just for a test, I remember there was a poop smiley, so I searched for that, but I see they converted everything into emoticons. Anyway you can use both, smiley and emoticons from the same place.