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Extending Elk => Custom Themes => Topic started by: Bloc on August 21, 2016, 09:52:59 am

Title: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on August 21, 2016, 09:52:59 am
I just started a theme which I intended to be for SMF 2.1, but changed my mind once I looked at ElkArte properly. There just so much more to like in the elk :)..anyway, no demo or anything yet, barely started coding but I will be using some of the CSS framework Leaf, simply because much of the goodiness is already worked out there. Not sure how much will be kept, but we'll see how it goes.

Below is a working draft, not complete and probably a bit confusing but its the base of the theme/styles within it. Will be updating this topic as things progresses.

EDIT: link to Leaf http://getleaf.com/
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: emanuele on August 21, 2016, 04:26:41 pm
Pretty, pretty cool! :D
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: badmonkey on August 21, 2016, 04:40:08 pm
Looking good!
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Jorin on August 22, 2016, 07:04:43 am
The colors are not mine but the styling is neat. Clean, simple, elegant! Great job!
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on September 04, 2016, 11:17:38 pm
Just an update: the theme is trodding along, so much i'll be posting a demo soon. But it does take its time - I don't want to do it half-way either, so that means changing stuff quite severely. :) I do hope addons don't rely too much on templates being exactly identical to default theme.  :) I'll be doing tests of that of course.

Anyways, some differences from default theme:
   - Totally thrown out index.css, it has way too many styles and would not fit with the theme design anyway.
   - Same goes for the templates themselves...more or less.
   - More focus on what the media quiries change, and for what media. I opted for checks on widths first(desktops) giving for example regular dropdown menus, but once a touch device is discovered it changes to click menus(or slide in/out containers). However, with touch devices having more room(as in higher resolutions), the layout bounce back to desktop style - but still with click menus. WIP no doubt.
   - Added in the option for variants to not only add its own index.css, but also supply their own subtemplates, at least in index.template for now. I don't see the need to add in other templates, but its useful to change the "framing" somewhat for a variant too.
   - All icons are removed. Well..apart from custom topic icons and smilies. I use css/Icomoon instead, but using just pure css to actually render the icons give a lot of freedom on how/if theme show its icons and in what style. That means addons that rely on straight-forward images for its icons will need to be adjusted, if possible.
  
- some stats:
index.css 35kb (includes also icomoon styles)
admin.css 0kb (might include a few styles to off-load the index.css, but basically it won't be many)
font-awesome.css 0kb (don't use them)
rtl.css 0kb (again, same as for admin.css)
images folder 117kb/33 files

--compared to default theme
index.css 97kb
admin.css 24kb
font-awesome.css 26kb
rtl.css 27kb
images folder 597kb/342 files

Of course the comparison is a bit unfair so don't read too much into it..but it shows my goal which is a drastic reduction of files used - both for rendering speed and complexity of the theme.

Also attached 2 working drafts for the stats/poll/profile stats page.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: radu81 on September 04, 2016, 11:49:57 pm
This is surely something different from what we are used to see in forum design, congrats  ;)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Spuds on September 05, 2016, 02:06:41 am
@Bloc so far what you have shown looks amazing, and have to love those file size reductions, great work !!!
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: ahrasis on September 05, 2016, 03:32:39 am
Still looking for something "new" on board index / message index / display / profile / pm page, which are among the most important aspects to me. :D
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: meetdilip on September 05, 2016, 04:11:27 am
@Bloc , how do you recognise touch screen devices with larger screen size ? What do you use ?

PS: Nice work ;)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on September 06, 2016, 12:18:43 am
@Bloc , how do you recognise touch screen devices with larger screen size ? What do you use ?

PS: Nice work ;)
Code: [Select]
@media only screen and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 1.5) and (min-width: 959px),
only screen and (min--moz-device-pixel-ratio: 1.5) and (min-width: 959px),
only screen and (-o-device-pixel-ratio: 3/2) and (min-width: 959px),
only screen and (min-device-pixel-ratio: 1.5) and (min-width: 959px),
{

Its not a 100% accurate way to check if touch capability is there , but assuming that any device with pixel-ratio higher than 1.5(below 1.5 is typical big size monitors) is of the touch variety this will target those + a minimum of 960px resolution.

My main reason is to keep drop-menus only to over a certain width + below 1.5 pixel ratio. Plus distinguish between high and low resolution on pixel-ratio above 1.5, meaning most touch devices today. If anything falls outside that and still get dropmenus they will work as click menus, based on my testing on a recent android version. In that respect I could just leave it as it is..but targeting gives me more freedom.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on September 06, 2016, 12:29:31 am
@Bloc so far what you have shown looks amazing, and have to love those file size reductions, great work !!!
Thanks. :) Its a pet peave I guess, reducing to just what you need. Of course, minimized version will reduce it further.

Still looking for something "new" on board index / message index / display / profile / pm page, which are among the most important aspects to me. :D
Yeah, I know what you mean :) Orion theme might not be the most innovative, but it will make a foundation for more experimental themes. I just need a firm base first. No offense to default theme and the effort put in it, but I just can't get my head around it..not for these things anyway. If I can create all the styles I will need within index.template's code , re-using those styles for all the other templates, then I have accomplished my goal.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Trekkie101 on September 07, 2016, 12:02:36 pm
Looks very nice. Seems very light too.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on September 07, 2016, 07:01:36 pm
Thanks, @Trekkie101  :) I take care to not leave out any functions from ElkArte(as I have done in some SMF themes) but some of them might be a little different in approach and looks.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Antechinus on September 10, 2016, 10:02:38 am
Interesting project. I'll keep an eye on it.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Jorin on September 14, 2016, 08:08:43 am
Wow, the stats look amazing!  :o

Please let me change the colors easily so I can use this theme when it's published!  :D
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Genesis on September 23, 2016, 10:25:01 pm
I have to say this theme looks gorgeous.

As someone who is visually imparied, I have to say that the theme is very clean and  I think it would be very easy to find what you need and go.

/tracking
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 06, 2016, 07:29:15 pm
Sorry for the long pause in updates, been ill with a nasty bacteria which made me rather sleepy from the medicine past 3 weeks. Cant code when you start to doze off every time you start writing lol :P :)

Anyways, progress is commencing again and I uploaded a demo at http://bjornhkristiansen.com/elkarte/index.php where you can watch the progress(even register though its admin approved, wait a little and it will be approved) . Theres also a github repository of the theme at https://github.com/Bloc67/Orion_elkarte if you want to have a look at the code(be warned, its a bit messy)

As this is a more or less rewrite of most, if not all, templates, it will take some time to finish. I hoped not to have to do that, but looking at the default theme it was a daunting task to try to mold it into what I envision for the Orion theme. So rewrite it is. :)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: emanuele on October 06, 2016, 10:10:41 pm
Cant code when you start to doze off every time you start writing lol :P :)
Of course you can! Just do not expect it to be what you were thinking of writing. :P
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Spuds on October 06, 2016, 11:03:27 pm
@bloc I'm very excited by the progress, its looking great ... Love the "sort by" icons  :)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 06, 2016, 11:55:28 pm
Cant code when you start to doze off every time you start writing lol :P :)
Of course you can! Just do not expect it to be what you were thinking of writing. :P
;D Very true lol
@bloc I'm very excited by the progress, its looking great ... Love the "sort by" icons  :)
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Jorin on October 07, 2016, 07:21:45 am
It is really looking nice! Great job! Get well soon and back to work then, hurry!  ;)

I really think this could work for my board. Will you have the energy to update this theme a few years when Elk gets new functions regarding the theme?
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 07, 2016, 07:38:03 am
Oh I am already well, thanks. :) It was a 2-3 weeks where all was a bit hazy but all clear now.

Sure, I come to like the Elk a lot, theres innovation and speed(to not say the least) here that I really appreciate. I have already looked at 1.1 and its new stuff but will finish the theme(which will also form the base of more, have a few ideas for either variants or new themes) for 1.0.9, which is currently the stable elk version. That way it would be easier to make a version for 1.1 - which have a few new tricks up its sleeve already that I'd like to use properly. ;)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Jorin on October 07, 2016, 07:41:30 am
Good to hear! I liked your SMF themes in the past too. So I will keep Orion on the radar.  :)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 08, 2016, 08:12:34 pm
A few tidbits while working on it, here a new take on the Announcements section in admin section. Instead of showing it right away(which kind of hide the quick tasks somewhat by pushing it downward) I opted for a popup which you get by clicking the announcments link/header. Screenshots added.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 08, 2016, 08:17:37 pm
And speaking of attachments, this is my version of that: a more gallery like appearance, whee the full version will show/adapt to the whole page. Other non-image attachments is shown below the images, with a nice icon for common fileformats.

Points:
- the image cannot really be downloaded now, have to fix that.
- The small images show just as they are(instead of adapting to page) but it is a set limit which may or may not show some images in full height still(essentially enlarging them digitally which is NOT what we want). Still working on how to solve that.
- Its a bit...gridlike, need to experiment some more on looks.

Screenshots added.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 08, 2016, 10:52:30 pm
Some more screenshots, this time the main menu. Shown a menu with icon + texts, only icons and the mobile menu. The texts and also submenus can be turned off in the current theme settings page. Not sure if it should be a user choice as well...
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Spuds on October 08, 2016, 11:30:35 pm
Great progress! ....  Kind of glad to hear you also struggle with how to deal with attachments, they just seem to fight with layouts no matter what.  

Very nice touch adding the mime type in place of the paperclip, the profile area "recent" section uses mine images as does the add attachment screen (in v1.1), but the actual topic view was left behind :(

Nice side menus, I like the options of icon or icon+text, cool stuff.

Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 09, 2016, 01:59:51 am
Thanks. :)

I dabbled a bit on the attachments again..and this is my latest attempt: the thumbnails now fit within a container that is decided by how big thumbnails in $modSettings are and thus will look more uniform. But, as some parts will then be cut-off I added a hover that when you are over an image , will show it in full(the thumbnail). As before when clicked it will show the original mage in full page, adapting to screen width.

But, to those that want to download or just show the original as-it-is(without adapting to screen width) I added 2 icons next to the size indicator, one for showing the original image in a new window - and one to download it straight to disk. I think I covered all possibilities then lol...

It will certainly look nicer with bigger thumbnails, but work ok down to 120px thumbs too. less than that and the space starts to be a little small for the text panel under each. But, I think thats ok. :)

EDIT: a live preview can be seen at http://bjornhkristiansen.com/elkarte/index.php?topic=2.0

EDIT2: I just noticed I forgot the "viewed number of times" .. now, where to snug that in? :P :)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: kucing on October 09, 2016, 05:23:46 am
wow that gorgeous @Bloc ! I can't wait to try it when it stable. :)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Spuds on October 09, 2016, 12:12:16 pm
Nice!  I do like the way you handled the attachments, the hover is a great solution.  I feel leaving the file name out makes a lot of sense as well.  Most file names I see today are generally useless in describing the image so why take up 4 or 5 wrapped lines of text to display them.  Do have the get the counter back in there, folks like to see their click feedback :D
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 09, 2016, 12:30:57 pm
Yes, agreed. Pictures with long hash names makes no sense to show.But it is in the title attribute so you can still see it by holding over the image.

Yup, the clicks will need to go back, thinking of a nice round "counter" type for this.

Also, be fun to do something about which of your buddies are online, the data is there, just not shown anywhere(as I know of). The count of likes and mentions total might also be nice..maybe a "most liked/mentioned post" in stats page. But also your personal likes/mentions should be somewhere(both unread and read ones, to see the progress)

We'll see how it lands, still other templates to complete first. :)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: radu81 on October 09, 2016, 08:09:51 pm
The count of likes and mentions total might also be nice..maybe a "most liked/mentioned post" in stats page.
There is a like stats in Elkarte 1.1, you can see it under Community -> Like Stats
http://www.elkarte.net/community/index.php?action=likes;sa=likestats
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 09, 2016, 08:18:02 pm
Aha, thanks @radu81 , I seem to have missed that section. :)

EDIT: no wonder..its not in 1.0.9, only in 1.1. But still, good that its present.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Jorin on October 10, 2016, 07:45:17 am
wow that gorgeous @Bloc ! I can't wait to try it when it stable. :)

Dito! Nice job with the attachments!  :)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Jason on October 10, 2016, 08:26:03 am
Super cool, nice to see a new and fresh theme getting ready for Elkarte.  :)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 16, 2016, 12:48:51 pm
A little update again:

Things are beginning to finish up, at least for the initial beta of the theme. I am right now utilizing Chart.js for some nice graphs on the statistics page and will be moving to PM and Profile pages next. After that its pretty much done, aside from the expected bugs lol.

Theres also the "theme news" - I plan to have a news section on the "current theme settings page", for news on updates on theme and/or other themes.  
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Spuds on October 16, 2016, 01:41:25 pm
Cool !   I've wanted to play around with chart.js for the stats page to "bling" it up a bit.  Looking forward to what you come up with :D
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 16, 2016, 05:04:07 pm
Chart.js is great..but its the Stats page that gives me a bit trouble lol. Its ajax-based so its not instantly transferable to Chart.js(well, it might be but I am no javascript aficionado )

EDIT: Never mind, it seems I can work out a way using regular links.  8)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Antechinus on October 17, 2016, 12:20:43 am
I've honestly always wanted to just dump the stats page. :P Especially profile stats. The only reason I have ever looked at the profile stats page was when I had to debug the bloody thing. The rest of the time I have never even gone there, in all the years I have been using SMF and Elk. I really do think it is so close to utterly useless that it's not worth the code.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 17, 2016, 01:37:24 am
Stats page have always been useful for me, as an admin, to see the progress of the whole forum. Doing it with charts helps alot to visualize that progress I think.

But the profile stats is another deal, not quite sure what the reasons were for listing where you posted the most etc. ..but here too I think a visualization will go along way of making it a bit more interesting. I opted for graphs in Stats's Forum activity but Chart.js can do lots of stuff: piebars, bars, scatter diagrams etc. It'll be fun finding out what will be suitable. :)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Spuds on October 17, 2016, 01:46:08 am
I also find the forum status page quite useful, and use it to look at site wide tends etc.

The profile stats page is a bit hidden so does not get much use, perhaps improved placement and some better eye candy with chart.js will help it out.  I remember when I first found it as a user and was like, humm interesting what boards and times I post .. I guess its a form of forum voyeurism for some :P  Now I probably only look at it when its time for a release to make sure it still works !
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Antechinus on October 17, 2016, 02:07:38 am
Well yes, some aspects of the forum stats can be useful for an admin. OTOH, I think some of it is still useless and could realistically be dropped. It does chew a huge amount of queries to generate all that crud.

Personally I would keep some of the general stats section, ditch the boxes under that (or at least most of them), and keep the forum history. I also think it could usefully be made visible only to admins, since it's not really relevant to anyone else.

Profile stats? Even with better eye candy (and I have played around with that in the past) the basic problem still remains: it's just not interesting or relevant content. If it was eye candied up to the max I might take one look so I could go "Ooo, shiny!", but after that the only reason I'd look at it is if I wanted to nick some of the eye candy ideas for somewhere else.

Seriously, has anyone given thought to whether profile stats are worth all the code required to run them? I can't think of a better example of the YAGNI principle.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: radu81 on October 17, 2016, 08:06:52 pm
I also find the forum status page quite useful, and use it to look at site wide tends etc.
Me too and I miss the smf / elkarte stats in other forum software
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 17, 2016, 08:33:45 pm
Well yes, some aspects of the forum stats can be useful for an admin. OTOH, I think some of it is still useless and could realistically be dropped. It does chew a huge amount of queries to generate all that crud.

Personally I would keep some of the general stats section, ditch the boxes under that (or at least most of them), and keep the forum history. I also think it could usefully be made visible only to admins, since it's not really relevant to anyone else.

Profile stats? Even with better eye candy (and I have played around with that in the past) the basic problem still remains: it's just not interesting or relevant content. If it was eye candied up to the max I might take one look so I could go "Ooo, shiny!", but after that the only reason I'd look at it is if I wanted to nick some of the eye candy ideas for somewhere else.

Seriously, has anyone given thought to whether profile stats are worth all the code required to run them? I can't think of a better example of the YAGNI principle.

I have actually put all the main stuff in stats page in tabs, so forum history is a tab for itself(can also be set to be the first tab to be entered when visiting stats. Thought about theme variable that remembers last tab for each user..but so far not adding that lol), that works well to reduce the clutter of a "show everything and the kitchen sink" type of page.

Profile page use a lot of space(stats part) on all these small "pie" icons but a big overall piechart would work better there I think. Same with the multipel bars for times when you visited...that got to be shrunk down somewhat, maybe a scatter diagram or cloud type..just not all these bars.

Because, as you say, are we really that interested? :) Maybe chuncks of time, like "mostly at night from 3-7" would be more interesting, and for that those chart types I mentioned might do the trick. Anything but a stack of bars that really - for me - actually confuse a bit. I tend to look at those and think "what a nice graph-like stack of bars" and then think again.."oh it seems I am most active around 3-7(ish)" before looking at the nice "graph" again. :D It should be obvious right away, no confusion hesitation IMHO.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 27, 2016, 05:43:05 pm
Another update:

Keep getting closer to a release, with focus on profile and who pages next.

But I have to say...its jolly hard to work with the templates, there are unique stuff/styles in every template. Little focus have been on re-use here, which should have been very important when so many different templates are used in a single application. Thus its hard to actually change anything, because while it might change on MessageIndex, the similar Unread template will have other styles again, overriding it. This is slightly better in the public tempaltes, but the admin ones are a nightmare(..)

TBH I am being a bit lazy here, my initial gut reaction is to rewrite everything with as few styles as possible(and to some degree I have already ) but I don't want to use that amount of time of rewriting every template..so I am now just putting band-aid code/styles on those templates I don't change. That means I will keep finding small stuff that doesn't render correctly, but life is short lol.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Spuds on October 27, 2016, 09:36:08 pm
jolly hard, you are being overly nice  :D

There is a lot of work to do on the templates, notably in adding many more "reuse" functional templates.   A fair amount of work done in this regard, but the number of underlying templates gets a bit daunting at times.  An additional complication is that the sources do not always make the same data available to what were essentially the same template just as given as different view.  As you found, the admin templates are the worst of the bunch.

Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: emanuele on October 27, 2016, 10:17:40 pm
*nods* in agreement.
Some work was done in both 1.0 and 1.1 (I think I finally made the three unread a mostly unique piece of code changing only the queries to output the different data), now in 2.0 we can do some more.
Actually, if you have any list of stuff that could be "merged" or at least presented with a similar template, feel free to share your findings and thoughts!
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 27, 2016, 10:22:34 pm
Thanks :) Right now I'll focus on this theme..but there def. work to be done in the templates. Maybe its best to save that for a 2.0 version though, seeing as 1.1 is already in beta3? Is there any code/branch for a 2.0 version btw? (I assume thats the next version, since you mentioned "2.0" :D )
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: emanuele on October 27, 2016, 11:30:46 pm
Nope, we are basically focusing on a release at a time, so for now development is 1.1, once that will become stable... I guess we'll create a temporary branch "1.1-stable" or something and start working on 2.0 using development. Then,, after a short while (not more than 6 months) 1.1 will be merged into master EOL'ing 1.0 and the cycle will start all over again. lol
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 30, 2016, 05:41:28 pm
Nope, we are basically focusing on a release at a time, so for now development is 1.1, once that will become stable... I guess we'll create a temporary branch "1.1-stable" or something and start working on 2.0 using development. Then,, after a short while (not more than 6 months) 1.1 will be merged into master EOL'ing 1.0 and the cycle will start all over again. lol
The never-ending cycle lol. :)

Ok, new updates again - attached a few screenshots of new stuff, also the demolink shows some of it. Still lots to tweak I guess..but its close to an actual release. This kind of theme where much is changed from default, is always bound to evolve over several versions - so I added a check for updates inside the theme.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Ken. on October 30, 2016, 08:11:04 pm
This is a nice clean look that gives a lot to like. Great work Bloc.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 30, 2016, 10:26:19 pm
This is a nice clean look that gives a lot to like. Great work Bloc.

Thanks, Ken. :) Its no secret that I favor Elkarte over SMF now, so I guess - if you want to use this theme - you have to migrate.  :D

Joke aside though, I do think the elk have gone way and beyond SMF for quite some time, things are moving pretty slow over at the old site, sadly, and I fear that SMF will never rise past the 2.0 line. So IMHO Elkarte is the best option for those loving this software still.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: badmonkey on October 31, 2016, 02:09:30 am
Fantastic work!  Just keeps getting better!  How does it look on a mobile?
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: kucing on October 31, 2016, 10:02:44 am
Fantastic work!  Just keeps getting better!  How does it look on a mobile?

you can see the demo here: http://bjornhkristiansen.com/elkarte/index.php
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on October 31, 2016, 07:45:00 pm
Mobile is for the most part ok, but there are bugs and tweaks to be corrected there too.

This is what I mentioned earlier in this topic: if more templates shared "building blocks", the changes would be easier to do. As of now, one have to correct small bits and pieces here and there, even if the major classes have been altered already..and that takes time of course.

But I understand the reason behind it being made that way, there a LOT of templates and one can easily loose track of whats common or not. :)
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Bloc on November 09, 2016, 11:48:06 pm
Ok, just a little update again - I am coding something other that takes a fair bit of time(OOP coding style, job related) so the theme's paused for a bit until I gotten a bit ahead on that.

But some stuff have been done: since last update I fixed quite a few bugs and changed some things I didn't like + added "full-page" option for the admin section. This is a CSS-driven option that show the admin full-out-page and also hides a few things(as well as making main menu icon-only automatically). The screenshots show that in 1080p..but I think its even more useful on lower resolutions and of course on phones.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: Skhilled on November 24, 2016, 11:23:29 am
Excellent job, as usual, Bloc! Looks like you're back in da groove! LOL
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: hartiberlin on January 21, 2018, 01:07:05 am
Was this theme ever finished ? Has Bloc left the Forum as his last message is already 2 years old ?
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: ahrasis on January 21, 2018, 06:17:41 am
Last active was August 28, 2017. That is not that old. However, I was never sure where is his direction.
Title: Re: Orion - theme preview
Post by: jack001 on January 25, 2018, 03:33:12 pm
this is amazing theme. where can i download it?