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OpenImporter / Re: Stuck with importer...
Last post by Antechinus -
Depends on which version of SMF it is. If it's 2.0.17 will be fine on 7.2, but if it's an older version it may not be.
I don't know if Elk will handle 5.5.9 though. That's pretty old PHP.

ETA: Just checked the requirements for Elk. Says it should be ok with PHP 5.2+
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OpenImporter / Re: Stuck with importer...
Last post by Gryzor -
Trying to convert from SMF - forgot to mention but it doesn't really matter because I didn't go as far as to pick :D

Still on 5.5.9 because it Just Works (TM) :D Unsure how a move to 7.x will affect SMF, so...
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General ElkArte discussions / Re: Is this project alive?
Last post by forumovod -
My post was not about comparing SMF and ELK, but about possible migration from the SMF to ELK.
Why migrate from SMF to ELK if they will soon become similar. There will be no reason to do this.
  You could say the same about most forum software. They all do much the same thing, and they're all pretty good at it. It comes down to personal preference.

I've been looking at both SMF 2.1 and Elk lately, because I'm thinking of switching a small site from phpBB to something else. With either SMF or Elk I can write just about any interface code I'll be wanting to write, so for me it will probably come down to which converter behaves the best. Both SMF and Elk advertise that they have awesome converters that make things easy for converting from phpBB, but in reality neither have been updated for some time and neither works all that well [1]. So I'll have to set up three test installations and find out which one works best, and how to fix it.

Anyway, converters aside, Elk's code base is currently in a better state than that of SMF 2.1. At this stage I don't know how long SMF 2.1 will take to get cleaned up and finished.

They won't be similar. For starters, elk has substantially cleaner code and file arrangement. Then there is support. People aren't essentially called stupid for asking basic questions here.
  Support is pretty good at SMF. I started there as a complete n00b (I'd never heard of PHP or CSS) and found that as long as you make some attempt to not be stupid, and have some patience, things go quite well. Yes, some of them can be a bit gnarly sometimes (and you rapidly learn their personalities) but even the apparently gnarly ones are basically decent people once you get to know them. It probably helps that I am perfectly capable of being thoroughly gnarly myself. :D

Don't forget mods. elk mods are mostly hook based. In fact most are purely hook based. How many can SMF claim are purely hook based?

These are not trivial items.
  TBH I've found that hook-based mods can be as much of a PITA as the old style mods. Like any mods, they're all fine if you want exactly what the author wrote, and if you don't install any other mods that might conflict with them.

ETA: Oh the other point is PHP support. Both Elk 1.1 and SMF 2.0 will only run error-free up to PHP 7.2, and of course 7.2 is EOL at the end of November this year. Apparently 2.0.18 will be fine with anything up to PHP 7.4. I read the other day that, although the repo is not public, the code has already been sorted. As far as I know that puts SMF 2.0 ahead of Elk 1.1 in terms of PHP versions, which is something to consider.

 We will have to disagree on that. I've witnessed too much beratement over there. I've even been the subject. Frankly it was the primary reason for coming here. The arrogance from some individuals oozes.

Why is there no quotation of the selected text? The smf 2.1 has this)
(same applies to various converters to phpBB)
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General ElkArte discussions / Re: Is this project alive?
Last post by badmonkey -
My post was not about comparing SMF and ELK, but about possible migration from the SMF to ELK.
Why migrate from SMF to ELK if they will soon become similar. There will be no reason to do this.
  You could say the same about most forum software. They all do much the same thing, and they're all pretty good at it. It comes down to personal preference.

I've been looking at both SMF 2.1 and Elk lately, because I'm thinking of switching a small site from phpBB to something else. With either SMF or Elk I can write just about any interface code I'll be wanting to write, so for me it will probably come down to which converter behaves the best. Both SMF and Elk advertise that they have awesome converters that make things easy for converting from phpBB, but in reality neither have been updated for some time and neither works all that well [1]. So I'll have to set up three test installations and find out which one works best, and how to fix it.

Anyway, converters aside, Elk's code base is currently in a better state than that of SMF 2.1. At this stage I don't know how long SMF 2.1 will take to get cleaned up and finished.

They won't be similar. For starters, elk has substantially cleaner code and file arrangement. Then there is support. People aren't essentially called stupid for asking basic questions here.
  Support is pretty good at SMF. I started there as a complete n00b (I'd never heard of PHP or CSS) and found that as long as you make some attempt to not be stupid, and have some patience, things go quite well. Yes, some of them can be a bit gnarly sometimes (and you rapidly learn their personalities) but even the apparently gnarly ones are basically decent people once you get to know them. It probably helps that I am perfectly capable of being thoroughly gnarly myself. :D

Don't forget mods. elk mods are mostly hook based. In fact most are purely hook based. How many can SMF claim are purely hook based?

These are not trivial items.
  TBH I've found that hook-based mods can be as much of a PITA as the old style mods. Like any mods, they're all fine if you want exactly what the author wrote, and if you don't install any other mods that might conflict with them.

ETA: Oh the other point is PHP support. Both Elk 1.1 and SMF 2.0 will only run error-free up to PHP 7.2, and of course 7.2 is EOL at the end of November this year. Apparently 2.0.18 will be fine with anything up to PHP 7.4. I read the other day that, although the repo is not public, the code has already been sorted. As far as I know that puts SMF 2.0 ahead of Elk 1.1 in terms of PHP versions, which is something to consider.
 
 We will have to disagree on that. I've witnessed too much beratement over there. I've even been the subject. Frankly it was the primary reason for coming here. The arrogance from some individuals oozes. 
(same applies to various converters to phpBB)
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Support / Re: Various Errors
Last post by gevv -
Hello,

@emanuele   how do I solve the error of "filesize (): stat failed for /"

Does changing the php version fix the problem?
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General ElkArte discussions / Re: Is this project alive?
Last post by Antechinus -
My post was not about comparing SMF and ELK, but about possible migration from the SMF to ELK.
Why migrate from SMF to ELK if they will soon become similar. There will be no reason to do this.
You could say the same about most forum software. They all do much the same thing, and they're all pretty good at it. It comes down to personal preference.

I've been looking at both SMF 2.1 and Elk lately, because I'm thinking of switching a small site from phpBB to something else. With either SMF or Elk I can write just about any interface code I'll be wanting to write, so for me it will probably come down to which converter behaves the best. Both SMF and Elk advertise that they have awesome converters that make things easy for converting from phpBB, but in reality neither have been updated for some time and neither works all that well [1]. So I'll have to set up three test installations and find out which one works best, and how to fix it.

Anyway, converters aside, Elk's code base is currently in a better state than that of SMF 2.1. At this stage I don't know how long SMF 2.1 will take to get cleaned up and finished.

They won't be similar. For starters, elk has substantially cleaner code and file arrangement. Then there is support. People aren't essentially called stupid for asking basic questions here.
Support is pretty good at SMF. I started there as a complete n00b (I'd never heard of PHP or CSS) and found that as long as you make some attempt to not be stupid, and have some patience, things go quite well. Yes, some of them can be a bit gnarly sometimes (and you rapidly learn their personalities) but even the apparently gnarly ones are basically decent people once you get to know them. It probably helps that I am perfectly capable of being thoroughly gnarly myself. :D

Don't forget mods. elk mods are mostly hook based. In fact most are purely hook based. How many can SMF claim are purely hook based?

These are not trivial items.
TBH I've found that hook-based mods can be as much of a PITA as the old style mods. Like any mods, they're all fine if you want exactly what the author wrote, and if you don't install any other mods that might conflict with them.

ETA: Oh the other point is PHP support. Both Elk 1.1 and SMF 2.0 will only run error-free up to PHP 7.2, and of course 7.2 is EOL at the end of November this year. Apparently 2.0.18 will be fine with anything up to PHP 7.4. I read the other day that, although the repo is not public, the code has already been sorted. As far as I know that puts SMF 2.0 ahead of Elk 1.1 in terms of PHP versions, which is something to consider.
(same applies to various converters to phpBB)
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General ElkArte discussions / Re: Is this project alive?
Last post by badmonkey -
It is not just a question of version numbers. Elk 1.1 is as advanced as SMF 2.1, because Elk 1.0 was forked from SMF 2.1 Alpha and then finished by the Elk team. Basically, Elk got to a final version 6 years earlier, from the same starting point. It has been developed further since then.
  
My post was not about comparing SMF and ELK, but about possible migration from the SMF to ELK.
Why migrate from SMF to ELK if they will soon become similar. There will be no reason to do this.
 
 They won't be similar. For starters, elk has substantially cleaner code and file arrangement. Then there is support. People aren't essentially called stupid for asking basic questions here. Expanding on that, devs actually listen to user suggestion here, i.e. the other current thread regarding index page layout. Anyone can feel free to make those statements over on SMF. Let us know how that goes. Let alone the fact one of the elk leadership posed the question here. Don't forget mods. elk mods are mostly hook based. In fact most are purely hook based. How many can SMF claim are purely hook based? 

These are not trivial items.